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One morning over breakfast, Holly Paige looked at her daughter and realised things weren't right. Lizzie should have been flourishing. Instead, her cheeks were pinched, she was small for her age, and although she had skinny arms and legs, her belly was big and swollen. When Lizzie smiled, Paige suddenly noticed her upper front teeth were pitted with *****.

"I was absolutely horrified," recalls Paige.

At the time, Paige was feeding them what she thought was the most nutritious diet possible. They had been raw vegans for three years, and ate plenty of fruit, vegetables, nuts, seeds, grains, soya and pulses, but no meat, fish or dairy. According to the raw-food doctrine, Lizzie and Bertie, then three and four-and-a-half, should have been brimming with good health. But Paige's mothering instinct was on the alert.

"I knew something was wrong, but I couldn't put a finger on it," says Paige, 45. "They were two sizes behind in clothes. Of course, ******** come in all different shapes and sizes, but their growth seemed to be slowing further. I have two older ******** so I had their development to measure Lizzie and Bertie's against."

There were other oddities: "I remember going to the supermarket and buying ****** for my older ********. Lizzie, who had never had ****** in her life, would grab the packet and gnaw into it," says Paige. "It was really disconcerting. I would be thinking, 'What is going on? Here is this purely fed ***** – why would she need to do this?' I was so brainwashed into thinking dairy products are bad for you."

When she took Lizzie and Bertie to her health visitor, she didn't seem too concerned. "She said they were in the low percentile, but thought they were OK," says Paige. "Yet I knew the ******** weren't growing. I could sense that there was something wrong. It felt wrong."

Finally, Paige stumbled across the answer in an old vitamin book. Although she has no medical confirmation, she believes the family had symptoms of vitamin D- and protein-deficiency. "I felt like such an idiot. I got the information from a book I'd had sitting around on my shelf for 20 years."

The discovery brought a swift *** to her experience of veganism. In Totnes, where she lives, Paige knows many other raw vegans who have a nature-loving lifestyle. But despite taking a daily supplement that included vitamin D and B12, she and the ******** were suffering. Today, the family still mainly has a raw diet, but Paigeincludes ******, cheese, eggs and occasionally fish. "I had let malnutrition in through the back door in the name of health," says Paige. "It was ridiculous."

There is a significant difference between being vegan (and eating cooked foods) and raw vegan. Vegans benefit from fortified cereals, baked goods and a wider variety of grains and pulses; what's more, cooking aids the absorption of some micronutrients. But Lisa Miles, from the British Nutrition Foundation, says: "The most dramatic change to the diet is being vegan rather than the raw element, because you are cutting out two huge food groups. This affects vitamin D and protein."

Last week, strict diets for ******** were questioned after a 12-year-old vegan girl was admitted to a Scottish hospital with rickets. Her spine was said to resemble that of an 80-year-old woman.

Rickets is a degenerative bone condition that can lead to curvature of the spine and bone fractures. It is caused by a lack of vitamin D, usually found in oily fish, eggs, ****** and made by our bodies from sunshine – although in the UK the sun is only strong enough to do this between April and September. It's a disease you might more commonly ********* with the ********** character, Tiny Tim.

Many dieticians believe it is possible to bring up a healthy vegan *****. "You can do it, but you do have to make sure you know what you are doing, especially in regards to weight," says Jackie Lowdon from the British Dietician ***********. "As with any self-restricting diet, you need to get proper professional advice."

The Vegan Society, unsurprisingly, claim that the diet is suitable for all stages of life, and have an army of strapping, healthy ****** brought up as vegans from birth who are happy to talk to the media. They also publish a book with dietary advice on feeding vegan ********, written by dietician Sandra Hood. A spokeswoman, however, says they would not recommend a raw vegan diet for ********.

Nigel Denby, a dietician and author of Nutrition for Dummies, says: "It can be **** enough bringing a ***** up to eat healthily, but with a vegan diet you are really making a difficult job for yourself. It is absolutely not something that should be tried without support from a dietician."

Several factors, says Denby, make a vegan diet for small ******** more difficult. With a restricted range of foods, if ******** turn their nose up at one particular food, you could be stuck for choice. "With smaller appetites and portion sizes, ******** under five have higher nutrient requirements than ******. Therefore, every mealtime has to be an opportunity to feed them high-nutrient-based foods."

Care must be taken with certain nutrients. "Haem iron, found in meat, is easier for the body to absorb," explains Denby. "Non-haem iron, which is just as good, is found in leafy vegetables and fortified cereals, but you have to eat a greater amount to get the same amount of iron."

Paige now believes that her ******** were craving dairy products. "It was confusing because for the first year I felt good, calm and content, and had plenty of energy. The ******** didn't have ********* sicknesses. But something seemed to be missing. We were always picking between meals, always obsessed by food."

Paige believes long-term ************* helped sustain Lizzie and Bertie, but the toll of veganism on her own health was dramatic: "It was the third year when my body started disintegrating, frighteningly fast. I was getting thin, losing muscle and I was going to bed at half nine." She would also have "mad" binges, and eat nothing but rice cakes and ******.

The last straw came when Paige's eldest son Bruce came to stay. He asked her to buy chicken, and Paige ***** up eating half of it. After that, she couldn't stop. "I just went wild. Typically, in a day I would eat half a chicken, two litres of milk, half a pound of cheese and three eggs. I just had to do it. It went on for weeks. The ******** were having lots of boiled eggs and cheese."

Paige, who now runs an online magazine and raw food shop, says her biggest lesson is never to be too restrictive again. "For a lot of people, there is something about these various nutrients in the animal form that we can **********. I don't know why, but experience shows a lot of us can't get enough protein on a vegan diet."

Now when Paige looks at her two youngest, now seven and eight she is certain they are thriving. "There was a moment when I was worried damage had been done for life," she says. "Now, I'm confident they are doing well. Even though they eat as much fruit and dried fruit as before, their teeth haven't had one bit more decay."

And nowadays, it's their growth that's the big talking point. "The first thing anyone says when they visit is: 'My, haven't they grown?'"

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I've seen people who have had cardiac (heart) problems from being so malnourished and lacking protein.

It's very serious.
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Your naivety is amazing.
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well obviously you could read what i wrote so i really dont care. ps my keyboards broken and i dont proofread my comments a billion times so get over it
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Proof reading just once would probably do the trick :)
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*proofreading
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*rolls eyes*
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Hey if you point out my mistakes i'll point out yours
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E. coli, Salmonella, and a whole host of parasites can be eaten on a raw diet. Even cleaning will not get rid of all of them. Proper cooking and handling gets rid of disease and parasites.
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you can get parasites from using a public bathroom. and cooking food vegetables loses nutrients and vitamins.
so basically there is nothing unhealthy on a raw (vegan) diet its not like you can shove pizza and hamburgers down your throat.
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You can get a parasite from using a bathroom. Uncooked vegetables are better for you (do your research). And honestly there isnt much unhealthy on a raw vegan diet.
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anyone hwo voted unhealthy are retarted
**IF** YOU eat healthy than its a healthy diet. and there is nothing unhealthy you can eat on a raw diet. seriously? how retarted are people
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Being vegan has nothing to do with a lack of protein. There are numerous sources of complex protein. A vegan diet is extremely healthy, but it does have to be researched and done properly. My daughter has been a vegan for over 18 years and has been healthier than she ever was befor.

http://www.bodyforlife2.com/i...
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Including raw vegan?
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Absolutely, cooking food usually depletes the nutrients in food. The only food that needs to be cooked is meat for safely reasons.
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There is a difference from proteins and other nutrients being present in the food and the ability of the body to absorb it. Take tomatoes, they are healthiest in a cooked form. This is one reason most people cook their foods and limit the amont of raw plant matter they eat.
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You have missed some very basic information. Humans are the only special that actually cooks food to eat it. Cooking destroys the nutrients in most foods even at very low temperatures. The only reason to cook food is to destroy bacteria.


"Raw protein is a basic nutritional requirement for all living cells, and has been eaten by traditional societies for centuries"

Lysine and Tryptophan are two essential amino acids that are modified or denatured by heat at 110 degrees Fahrenheit. (Barely warming it up) Therefore cooked proteins can be considered as deficient in these two of the essential amino acids, which could theoretically also produce deficiency in the other amino acids that the body manufactures from these two."
http://www.howweheal.com/prot...
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ive been a vegetarian for a little over 2 years now and i know plenty of healthy vegans
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I've seen people who have had cardiac (heart) problems from being so malnourished and lacking protein.

It's very serious.
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Being vegan has nothing to do with a lack of protein. There are numerous sources of complex protein. A vegan diet is extremely healthy, but it does have to be researched and done properly. My daughter has been a vegan for over 18 years and has been healthier than she ever was befor.

http://www.bodyforlife2.com/i...
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*Anyone WHO voted unhealthy IS RETARDED*

Yeah, people will really take you seriously if you spell like you have special needs.
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Not if you eat it in moderation it won't.

Meat is healthy food. Humans are biologically supposed to eat meat (but there are now ways to go without it, I admit). Meat has nutrients in it which are beneficial for health. Too much of anything will harm you.
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All this talk about how meat causes this and that is just nonsense... yeah the greasy low quality McDonald's burger you just ate (with the refined white starchy bun, fries and coke) is BAD. Wow, use your common sense people, do more thorough research. Good quality meat, poultry and fish are excellent for the human body. Grains and processed foods are NOT. Cut out the processed, sugary, junk and fast foods. Eat whole real food... quality meat/fats/dairy, veggies/fruit, nuts/seeds. Simple as that. If you don't want to eat meat, fine, but don't call all meat eaters unhealthy because we're not.



As far as vegan and raw vegan goes, if you can make it work for you and get all the nutrients you need, then great! However, I believe it is not ideal for ******** who are in more of a critical state of nourishment.
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if she stays on the diet =- she will get 100% less annoying since she will be dead. VEganism is an eating disorder - no traditional culture has EVER been 100% vegetarian much less raw vegan - but please - if you are lacking in basic intellect enough to peruse such a diet - go for it - when you de-volve you will probably taste like chicken - yum!
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It is usually unhealthy. Some dedicated vegans can work it out, though.

I could not work it out, and I wouldn't want to. I would never go vegan. Kids, especially, need a little bit of everything, and it is easier to do that by giving them meat and dairy, as well as plenty of fruit and vegetables.
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I believe many people do thrive on a "proper" raw vegan diet. However, sounds like this mother's "mothering instinct" was not QUITE on the alert after all. You don't put small ******** or babies on such a purist kind of diet when you've only been on it yourself for 3yrs, not without careful monitoring of their health. I know, and know OF, many healthy vegans. One was a ***** who is now a beautiful young woman in college.
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I agree... some people have been raw vegan for their entire life (and all of them are in great health) but if some person was only on it for a little while then they dont know enough to feed an infant the proper food. So i agree.
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I don't know anyone personally who is ON a raw vegan diet. I do know though, that is possible to be healthy on a vegan diet. This post seems to be trying to claim otherwise.
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The only people i know personally on a raw vegan diet was my sister and my mom. My mom isnt a raw vegan anymore (long story) and my sister was just trying it for a week. My sister got like 90% less annoying, so i forever support raw vegan diets.
Other than that my mom researched a lot about it and people on it..
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I don't see how a diet of unprocessed non-animal foods could be unhealthy. I've been a vegetarian for over 20yrs, and seldom use "dairy products". I get sick less often than most other people I know who eat animals.
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I agree. People just need something to hate if theyre different from it. Anyways ive only been a vegetarian for maybe four years? I eat mostly junk food so... its pretty much wrong for me to talk about health and all of that stuff. Im just saying the facts but not following them....
But yeah i get sick a bit but hopefully ill develop an unhealthy addiction to orange juice or something :)
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Humans are omnivorous. We are hunters and we are gatherers. That is why we are in the niche we are in the ecosystem. People need to pay attention in Biology more.

I don't care about ****** makeing the stand to go vegan or vegetarian but most eventually give up and go back to eating meat.
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If you eat enough meat it will. Look up your facts.
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Umm, actually people who don't eat meat tend to live longer and are less at risk for heart disease. Here are a couple of compilations of the scientific studies done.
sources: http://www.ajcn.org/content/7... and http://veganhealth.org/articl...
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My great grandad ate red meat every day of his ***** life, and it was usually fried in grease. He lived into his 90s.

The key is moderation. You really need to eat a little bit of everything, but in this modern age we live in, some people do manage to come up with a healthy vegan diet, and it doesn't do any harm.

I was vegetarian for most of my *********, due to being an incredibly picky eater who wouldn't try anything new. Now I love meat. Chicken nuggets especially.
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I think that being a modified, non religiously pure vegan makes best sense,. Logic suggests that humans, as hunter gathers, would be adapted to including a small amount of meat in their diet. I refuse to believe we evolved for some strange reason desperately needing megadoses of things only available through health food stores that didn't exist during our evolution.
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No one should only feed their kids a normal vegan diet, let alone raw vegan. I don't even approve of vegetarian for kids. Feed them a range of things and when they are old enough, let them decide if they want to go vegetarian/vegan.
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Yes because its totally better to shove meat down your throat.
a person can survive on pure fruits for up to two years before it starts effecting them badly. nuts and other stuff can give enough protien and everything else to survive. and ive seen some people who have been raw vegan since they were born and they are in amazing health.
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Yes...eating meat /is/ better. :)
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Ok so having meat rotting in your colon is better than eating healthy food?
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I'm not sure you understand how digestion works....
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yes
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