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Are less established religions really crazier than older
mainstream ones? Or are mainstream religions just more familiar?





May 9, 2011 |




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Does any religion make more sense than any other?

Atheists,
by definition, don't think any religion has any reasonable likelihood
of being true. And yet, for some weird reason, we're often asked to
choose between them. Believers often accuse us of ignoring more moderate
and progressive religions while we trash the low-hanging fruit of
****-line fundamentalism. We're accused of disregarding sophisticated
modern theology so we can zero in on the simplistic faiths held by the
hoi polloi. (Neither accusation is fair; many atheists, including
myself, have taken aim at both modern theology and progressive religion,
and in any case fundamentalism and other widely held religions are
valid targets for critique -- but that's another rant.) Yet at the same
time, many believers seek our approval for their particular beliefs. "Sure," they'll say, "a lot of those other religions are silly -- but my religion makes sense! Don't you agree? Don't you? Huh?"

For
the most part, it's a game I don't like to play. I think all religions
are equally implausible, equally based on cognitive biases, equally
unsupported by any good evidence whatsoever. But sometimes, the
battiness of a particular religion is powerfully borne in on me, to the
point where it becomes impossible to ignore. And it forces me to
consider the question: Is this religion really any more batty than any
other? Or is it just less popular? Less familiar? Is it simply newer,
and thus has had less time for the more wildly ragged edges of its
wackiness to smooth out? Is this religion really as crazy as it seems --
or are all religions equally crazy?

Magic Hats Versus Magic Snakes

First,
just to be very clear: I'm not saying all religious believers are
crazy. I'm saying religious beliefs are crazy. I'm criticizing the
ideas, not the people. And when I say "crazy" (or "nutty" or "batshit"
or "lunatic" or what have you), I don't mean "literally, clinically
mentally ill." I mean "crazy" in the colloquial sense -- radically out
of step with cultural norms, or out of touch with reality.

I was in Salt Lake City a few weeks ago giving a talk, and I took the opportunity to visit the Mormon Temple Square.
If you're not a Mormon, you can't go inside the Mormon Temple itself;
but Temple Square has all sorts of attractions for the non-Mormon
visitor, including the tabernacle, the ******** hall... and two
different visitors' centers, specifically designed to explain Mormonism
to the non-Mormon, and to make the religion seem inspiring, and to
entice people into the faith.

I
have no doubt that it has that effect on many people. Mormonism is one
of the fastest-growing religions on the planet; there must be something
about it that people like. But its effect on me... Well, it was
inspiring, all right. It inspired me right into a roller-coaster ride of
hilarity and horror. It inspired me, at one point, to out-loud laughter
that I was literally, physically unable to control. It inspired me to
get the **** off their property, take several deep breaths, and rant
with my wife about what a nightmare of indoctrination and brainwashing
it was, before we plunged back in. It inspired me to work on my atheist
activism ten times ****** than I ever had.

But then I started thinking. How much crazier is this, really, than any other religion?

Let's not mince words. There is some profoundly crazy
stuff in Mormonism. The magic underwear. The retroactive baptism of the
dead. Getting to be a *** on your own planet after you die. The Garden
of Eden being in Missouri. The foundational story of Joseph Smith
reading secret magical golden plates through a magic hat. The baptismal
font sitting on the backs of 12 cows. (Okay, fine, oxen. Still.) The washings
and anointings and veils and temple garments and secret handshakes and
other highly ritualized pseudo-Masonic ceremonies
. Lying for the Lord. (No, really. Look it up.)
The casual shrugging-off of well-known, thoroughly documented facts of
history and archaeology that contradict Church doctrine. The shameless,
barefaced retroactive continuity, to the point of actually lying about
the religion's history. ("Polygamy is not a central tenet of Mormonism,
and it never was. Racial bigotry is not a central tenet of Mormonism,
and it never was. Stop looking at the Book of Mormon. No, stop it. We'll
tell you what our religion says, thank you very much.") Mormonism loves
to present a wholesome, clean-cut image of almost obsessive normality
to the public... but when you scratch the surface, what you see is
howling, chaotic lunacy. That ********** may seem harsh -- but if these
ideas were presented in any context other than a religious one, nobody
would be debating it.

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All but one!
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If there is no *** as you seem to believe, then there is no sin.
*** won't force you to be a believer, and it is certain I can't. Try to "be good" have fun and be happy now while you can, because for you that will be all the enjoyment you get.
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Never claimed to be completely "righteous" and don't see any need to be. I'm a good person... that's all I need.
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To be in ***'s presence, you either need to be righteous or forgiven by faith in Jesus Christ.
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Still don't know what I need to be forgiven for.
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Romans 5:12
"Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:"

Sin is the state of man since the fall of man. Jesus is the cure.
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And if I do something that harms someone, I go ask their forgiveness. Why do I need to involve your deity?

Could you please define "sin"?
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Asking a wronged person for forgiveness is good, but it won't get you to heaven.
29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30Backbiters, haters of ***, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32Who knowing the judgment of ***, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Have you ever broken one of the 10 commandments?
It is impossible to keep all the law. That is why we need Jesus.
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There are over 600 commandments in the Bible and I couldn't care less about any of them. Quoting the Bible to me has less meaning than if you were reading a comic book to me.
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"If there is no *** as you seem to believe, then there is no sin."

You might be the first theist I've run across who understands that "sin" is a purely religious term that would not apply of there are no ****. I have to applaud that. Have a good day.
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Well, I don't need saving from anything; so he's all yours.
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You are right that there are no ****, but there is a ***, sin, forgiveness or judgement, and an eternity ahead. *** is not willing that any should perish. Maybe that is why we had a chat.
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No, that's not why. The existence of **** hasn't even come close to being proven, so that means sin hasn't either. Just because I would like to walk nicely away from a discussion because I don't see it actually going anywhere doesn't mean your reasoning has made an impact.
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I only plant seeds, I don't expect to harvest a crop.
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Humanism teaches that man evolved, that ethics are situational, that man is the highest authority. Under our Christian form of government, we have inalienable rights from ***. Our president under the constitution is commander in chief of the armed services, while our civilian population has no king but Jesus.
Under a humanistic form of government, you would have only the rights granted by the man in power, and with no ***, every man would do what was right in his own eyes. Abe Lincoln warned: “The philosophy of the classroom, is the philosophy of the government in the next generation.”
William Penn said: “A nation not governed by *** will be ruled by tyrants.” George Washington said: “True religion affords government its surest support. The future of the nation depends on the Christian training of the youth. It is impossible to govern without the Bible.”
Under what you believe, you only have the rights man gives you, and those men are tyrants.
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First of all Humanism is not synonymous with atheism. Second of all, we (non-believers) have no **** - that includes national leaders, "supernatural" entities, or whatever other force you may think we bow to.

I have rights because I am human, not because they are granted by a government or a ***.
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The difference between man and the animal kingdom, is that man was created in the image of *** with an eternal spirit. The decisions you make will determine where you spend that eternity. You are living by the law of the jungle. "The Law of the Jungle" is an expression that means "every man for himself", "anything goes", "might makes right", "survival of the strongest", "survival of the fittest", "kill or be killed", "dog eat dog" and "eat or be eaten".
survival fittest kill killed dog eat dog eat eaten The Law of the Jungle
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The difference between man that the animals is - nothing. All societies have rules, morals, social norms that have developed over time (that's all animal societies, ours included).

societies rules morals social norms developed animal societies included ape grooming
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This genius thinks he came from a monkey.
genius thinks monkey evolution this genius thinks he came from a monkey
People who see no difference between man and animal, tend to behave like animals.
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King James Bible
As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
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All have sin. Sin keeps us from ***. That sin puts us in the Devil's domain. *** sent His Son Jesus, to die to pay the price for that sin. Death is the penalty for sin. When He died in our place, our bail was paid, and we are now free to leave Satan's domain and go to heaven when we die, if we believe. Jesus had victory over sin and death and is coming again to take us to the place He has prepared for us.
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Most religion have some good points. As an atheist, I like to take the philosophies from varioous religions and apply them in my life, without any of the supernatural bit.

But a few are plain nutty, I'll admit.
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<!-- I don't think so, it definitely depends on the view and the person. I feel that all religions at their very **** are all trying to teach some very basic positive messages. Love all, love yourself, do what is right, and find peace. I truly believe it is the **** **** fundamentalists that create the craziness. Not the religion itself. Anything that teaches opposite of those four things should be destroyed. <br> <br>So what if I believe there is an energy, or vibrations, or spirit of the universe, that may be conscious and the creator, that I call ***. Science proves every day that there is a constant energy and it has not yet contradicted my believe but helped me understand it more and more. As always, to each there own, love all, love yourself, do what is right, and may you find peace. I don't think any of those statements are crazy. <br> <br>Bless atheists (I know, it's a bit contradictory) for asking the questions and making us think beyond the fundamental dogmas. Bless the religious for showing how deep faith can run and can effect our lives; and Bless the spiritual for look at all of it and beyond and keep their focus on themselves, who they are and how they live, and bring forth both questions and faith. <br> <br>I feel this message is the most important of them all: <br> <OBJECT orig_size="425x355" width="350" classid="clsid:D27CDB6E-AE6D-11cf-96B8-444553540000" id="1305390806.28" height="292"><param name="allowNetworking" value="internal"/><param name="allowScriptAccess" value="never"/><param name="enableJSURL" value="false"/><param name="enableHREF" value="false"/><param name="saveEmbedTags" value="true"/><param name="movie" value="https://www.youtube.com/v/wktlwCPDd94&amp;rel=1&amp;autoplay=0"/><param name="wmode" value="transparent"/><embed src="https://www.youtube.com/v/wktlwCPDd94&amp;rel=1" allowNetworking="internal" wmode="transparent" allowScriptAccess="never" enableHREF="false" height="292" width="350" enableJSURL="false" autostart="false" orig_size="425x355" type="application/x-shockwave-flash"/></OBJECT> -->I don't think so, it definitely depends on the view and the person. I feel that all religions at their very **** are all trying to teach some very basic positive messages. Love all, love yourself, do what is right, and find peace. I truly believe it is the **** **** fundamentalists that create the craziness. Not the religion itself. Anything that teaches opposite of those four things should be destroyed.

So what if I believe there is an energy, or vibrations, or spirit of the universe, that may be conscious and the creator, that I call ***. Science proves every day that there is a constant energy and it has not yet contradicted my believe but helped me understand it more and more. As always, to each there own, love all, love yourself, do what is right, and may you find peace. I don't think any of those statements are crazy.

Bless atheists (I know, it's a bit contradictory) for asking the questions and making us think beyond the fundamental dogmas. Bless the religious for showing how deep faith can run and can effect our lives; and Bless the spiritual for look at all of it and beyond and keep their focus on themselves, who they are and how they live, and bring forth both questions and faith.

I feel this message is the most important of them all:
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In the same league as politics. Some radical, bordering of schizoid -- others relatively sincere. Problem is, the sane ones don't get the press coverage.
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i don't think its the religions as it is the extremists
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I think that is intellectually dishonest, its like saying all athiest are all pretentious up-starts that hold their nose in the air to any person of faith sure there are some but not everyone is like that
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opiate to the masses
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I am an atheist because I do not believe in the **** and supernatural beings most religions put forth as the source and enforcer of the religious doctrine. Many people of many different religions are wacky and take their religion too seriously or too literally or just twist the meaning into perverse interpretations. I would not agree that all religions are equally crazy, nor that they inspire nor tolerate equally crazy actions and behaviors in the name of the religion. There is actually quite a large degree of variation in the religions and within each religion over time.

Religion is a necessary institution for many people. It organizes large groups around common social and moral values. You can debate the origin and utility of those values and question their foundation, but it is **** to debate the role religions play in the social fabric of human existence.
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I don't know if all religions are crazy. But I do think those who are the most fanatical in the practice of any religion are definitely crazy.
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Some are crazier than others, but they are all equally wrong!
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I have studied SEVERAL religions and belief systems, and this is WHY I am still Agnostic. I am leaning towards one particular spiritual belief, but these people are not open to sharing all they know with just anyone. I find good and ridiculous in all I've studied, but what still boggles me, is that EVERY society around the world, since **** sapians, had very strong spiritual beliefs, and all were very similar in many ways. SOMETHING had to guide them all to believing in a higher power....... but WHAT?
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From what?
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I didnt read all that, sry
Im athiest and i dont think any religion is crazy, i just think its crazy that they fight constantly when the underlying meaning is the same in most of them. believe in your ***/s, do the right thing, youll go to heaven/nirvana/valhalla/etc.
but i do think some followers are crazy for following blindly no matter what.
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Religions or being religious doesn't get you saved. Faith in Christ's work on the cross where he paid the penalty for our sin and bailed out all who believe and wish to leave Satan’s prison is. The Body of Christ is made up of all believers in Christ, no matter where they gather.
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So, they have to be Christian then.
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King James Bible
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Only faith in Christ saves for eternity.
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Why are you quoting the Bible to me? That hold the same meaning for me as it would if I were quoting something from "My Antonia" to you.
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The KJV of the Bible holds ***'s preserved word for the english speaking people of the world. What men have to say doesn't matter. What *** says matters.
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So, your *** wrote the Bible?
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There is only one ***. I didn't create Him. He saved me.
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Nobody thinks we "came from monkeys." I suggest you invest in a science book.
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