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1. If
we truly had one creator speaking to prophets, it would do so
consistently, not contradictory as thousands of different religions have
proven.


2. “Is ***
willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then He is not omnipotent. Is He
able, but not willing? Then He is malevolent. Is He both able and
willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is He neither able nor willing? Then
why call Him ***?” – Epicurus



3. It is better
to find your own answers and make an educated decision, than to
intentionally remain uneducated and make a fearful one.



4. If I were to
astonishingly find myself face to face with a supreme being, I would
expect to be judged on my life as a humanist, and how I treated others,
(just as most Christians plan to be judged on character, not on the
actual Ten Commandments). If my positive actions were ignored, and I was
instead judged on using my intelligence to doubt religious doctrines
created by human sinners, I would rather be eternally punished than bow
to such an unfair tyrant who made things seemingly impossible for humans
to succeed at this horrific game.



5. Even though
all religions exist, there is no such scientific evidence that will
favor any one of them. Books written in the ancient times were by people
who didn’t have an understanding of the scientific aspect of the world.
They were mere observers when they wrote the books, with no evidential
backing to support their claims. These books are not worthy of being
taken seriously even if they have a fan base of millions. Many
superstitions are still followed all over the world that is laughed upon
by people from other countries. Religious followers all the time ask
atheists to prove the non-existence of *** but are in a fix when asked
to prove the existence of ***. So if no one can satisfactorily provide
evidence of existence, why follow?



6. It amazes me
on the amount of time religious followers spend in supporting their
beliefs. They pray, chant, preach, sing hymns, bow, mumble, kneel, make
unnatural movements with their bodies, wear special garments, lockets,
do fast, visit swamis and gurus, visit extremely **** to reach
‘religious’ places, do pilgrimage, rituals etc. But is there any
evidence that these activities promote the personal well-being of a
person and give positive results? The answer is no. Many disasters have
occurred in places of religious worship, followers have been brutally
murdered, exposed to accidents and natural calamities. The time and
energy spent in such activities is tremendous but serves little purpose.



7. I will not follow any laws or rules which teach ****, murder, and evil and to follow blindly without questioning.



8. I always strive for the truth, and anything that hinders me from doing so I cannot put my trust in.



9. What I have
seen religion do to people horrifies me. Everything from people
strapping bombs to their chest to murdering innocent people.



10. Reading Richard
Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Charles Darwin, Bill
Maher and having conversations with my step-dad, my high school Biology
teacher and many more amazingly smart people.




adapted from original written by David Smalley of Dogma Debate


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>>>1. If we truly had one creator speaking to prophets, it would do so
consistently, not contradictory as thousands of different religions have
proven. <<<

He has done so consistently. The existence of different religions is a man-made phenomenon. Blaming that on *** is illogical. (And I thought you atheists were champions of logic.)

Jesus Christ established ONE Church – the Roman Catholic Church. All the other churches, religions, and sects are man-made. They may contain some elements of religious truth, but only Christ’s Church contains the fullness.

The existence of different religion ****** qualifies as proof, or even evidence, that *** doesn’t exist. (And I thought you atheists were champions of proof and evidence.)
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Your arguments are directed at religions and their attempts to define ***. It is better for you to find your own answers and not be led by religious interests ... but you should also guard against the anti-religious interests ... they have motives too.
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I always find is fascinating that christian are extremely uneducated about their own bible.

It is not illogical to blame *** for evil. According to the bible, your *** created evil.

Isaiah 45:7 in the King James Version reads, “I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.”
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You give no counter argument as to why *** would not be to blame?If he is all knowing all seeing all powerful then he knows what we will do before we do. please stop prove theists have no real;arguments for ***.
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It's a consistent and repeated error on their part. They are presuming to judge *** by man's rules or ethics.
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Man created *** so we have to judge him by the ethics man as attributed to him.
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You have totally missed the entire point of what is being discussed here. It is not about blame. It is about logic and rational thought. You obviously are not skilled in using either of them.

Jesus also did not establish the Roman Catholic Church either. Jesus, if he even existed at all. was a Jew.

In the history of this earth, man has created over 50,000 ****. Not one of them has been proven to exist . Even the traits, character and rules of each of those **** are very different.

The history of the life of Jesus is fully discussed in the book:

On The Historicity of Jesus by Richard Carrier. It is one of the most indepth and heavily researched books on ancient history ever written.
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i see logic has no place in your world ****. You actually think you made a concise argument for ***?
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Exactly what interests do they have?
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Christians are not subject to judgement for sin. We are forgiven and are subject to ***'s mercy.
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It isn't clear whether you're using "they" to refer to the theists or the atheists but it doesn't make a material difference. People who spend a lot of time trying to convince others that their view of ultimate reality is valid (or that the opposing view is invalid) seem motivated by a need to gain reassurance from others, to prove a point that cannot be proven or just to attempt to destroy something they personally find unattractive.
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If you read in contexts you will find the answer.

>>but you should also guard against the anti-religious interests ... they have motives too.<<

What are we supposed to be guarding against and what are the interests of anti-religionist?
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Ok, to each his own.
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1. Agree. That's why I have lost faith in organized religion.
2. Disagree. The *** I believe in simply set events in motion- He has no direct influence, otherwise free will would not exist. Evil must exist if free will truly does. It does not make Him malevolent.
3. Agree.
4. Agree.
5. Agree.
6. Agree.
7. Agree.
8. Agree.
9. Agree.
10. I've read from bits of all of these, and find it all fascinating.



Yet I still believe in ***. Most of these are anti-religion, not necessarily anti-***. I believe in *** because of my own spiritual evidence from personal prayer, and what makes sense to me. *** only communicates to guide and to comfort, and it has made a positive difference in my life. There is nothing harmful in belief in ***. Though there can be harm from organized religion, as you pointed out.
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According to the bible, your *** created evil.

Isaiah 45:7 in the King James Version reads, “I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.”
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The Bible is a part of religion. It is a corrupted book.
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I am very well aware of how corrupt it is. But **** are the creation of religions.
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The fact is that the vast majority of Atheist came from religious families and background. They are all very familiar with christianity and the bible. In fact less than 20% of all christian ever read their own bible.

Christians are taught not to question the bible and not to read outside of their own comfort zone. Everything else is evil and written by Satan to lead them astray. A great method of crowd control so they can never find knowledge or truth. They also never even compare biblical passages to see the major conflicts and contradictions there.

Any book that is so seriously flawed could not have been written by an omnipotent ***.

The entire story of Genesis and the tree of knowledge is about denying mankind knowledge. I suggest you read it.


The reason why people are Atheists is because they have studied the bible, done extensive research and asked questions. You seem to think that the instant that those of us change our minds about our belief in **** is the exact instant that we totally lose all of our knowledge of the bible, chrisitanity and our ability to understand the religion that we were once a part of.

Your observations are an epic failure of simply logic.
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WOW, if anything is heavily rooted in narcissism it is belief and faith. Christian insist that there is a *** when they have absolutely nothing but *********** to stand on. Not only do that insist that their *** is real, they demand and dictate to others the ideology of their *** in society as well. They make laws to force others to abide by their religious ideology. Nothing is more arrogant and narcissistic than that.


Atheism is exactly the same as science. We want PROOF and EVIDENCE. That is not narcissism. It is reality and logic. We do not accept magic at face value.

Many creatures acknowledges it's creator as most of them has parents. There is a very strong maternal bond with infants to their mother. **** are not essential at all.
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>>>2. “Is *** willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then He is not omnipotent. Is He
able, but not willing? Then He is malevolent. Is He both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is He neither able nor willing? Then why call Him ***?” – Epicurus<<<

Blaming *** for the evil that people do is illogical. (Again, I thought you atheists were logic champions. But I see a glaring lack of it in your claims, no offense.)
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>>> Many disasters have occurred in places of religious worship, followers have been brutally
murdered, exposed to accidents and natural calamities. The time and energy spent in such activities is tremendous but serves little purpose.<<<

Far, far more of these incidents have happened in places that were NOT religious of worships. Please – is this supposed to be an example of rationality and logic offered by a champion-of-rationality-and-l... atheist?

For a logic and reason champion, you really need to come up with more logical and rational arguments.

You’re also a proof and evidence champion, Mr. Atheist. Well, where’s your proof and evidence to support your claim that religious belief somehow increases one’s exposure to accidents and calamities?

Or do you not hold yourself to the proof and evidence rules that you are very quick to hold believers to?
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>>>3. It is better to find your own answers and make an educated decision, than to
intentionally remain uneducated and make a fearful one.<<<

Seeking *** IS an exercise in finding answers. St. Anselm, St. Augustine, and other saints spoke and wrote about “faith seeking understanding.”

We can’t understand something that we don’t even believe in to begin with. This is why atheists draw such eyebrow-raising conclusions about ***. You can’t understand what you don’t believe.

Also, your comment implies that believing in *** necessarily equals “remaining uneducated.” A very shallow and short-sighted ********. It’s a presumption you’re making – but presuming isn’t proving, or even offering evidence of, anything. (Again, I thought you atheists were proof and evidence champions.)
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>>>4. If I were to astonishingly find myself face to face with a supreme being, I would
expect to be judged on my life as a humanist, and how I treated others,
(just as most Christians plan to be judged on character, not on the
actual Ten Commandments). <<<

It’s not about what you expect.

Atheism seems to be rooted in narcissism. If the atheist can’t see it, they don’t believe it. If the atheist’s satisfaction for proof or evidence isn’t met, he/she doesn’t believe it. It’s all about the atheist. Atheists don’t believe because they can’t or won’t move their minds outside of themselves and their human-centeredness.

Atheists don’t believe because their human-centeredness causes them to lack supernatural faith. And a person cannot possibly believe in *** without supernatural faith.

Besides, we will be judged, at least in part, on how we treated others. That’s why Christ gives us the parable of the sheep and the goats. “Whatever you do for the least of my people, you do for Me.”

It must be rooted in faith, though. The first duty of any creature is to acknowledge its Creator, at least if the creature is capable of acknowledging the Creator. And we humans are the only ones capable of that. Being willing is another matter.
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>>>5. Even though
all religions exist, there is no such scientific evidence that will
favor any one of them. Books written in the ancient times were by people
who didn’t have an understanding of the scientific aspect of the world.
They were mere observers when they wrote the books, with no evidential
backing to support their claims. These books are not worthy of being
taken seriously even if they have a fan base of millions. Many
superstitions are still followed all over the world that is laughed upon
by people from other countries. Religious followers all the time ask
atheists to prove the non-existence of *** but are in a fix when asked
to prove the existence of ***. So if no one can satisfactorily provide
evidence of existence, why follow?<<<

First of all, you’re totally off-base in saying that people in ancient times were lacking in scientific understanding. They had scientific understanding – just not as much as we do today. And 1,000 years from now, we’re going to look pretty scientifically undeveloped compared to people living in that future age.

More erroneous, though, is your ********** that everything has to pass a science test. The Bible isn’t a science book. It never claims to be one, nor does the Church claim it to be one.

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>>>5. Even though
all religions exist, there is no such scientific evidence that will
favor any one of them. Books written in the ancient times were by people
who didn’t have an understanding of the scientific aspect of the world.
They were mere observers when they wrote the books, with no evidential
backing to support their claims. These books are not worthy of being
taken seriously even if they have a fan base of millions. Many
superstitions are still followed all over the world that is laughed upon
by people from other countries. Religious followers all the time ask
atheists to prove the non-existence of *** but are in a fix when asked
to prove the existence of ***. So if no one can satisfactorily provide
evidence of existence, why follow?<<<

First of all, you’re totally off-base in saying that people in ancient times were lacking in scientific understanding. They had scientific understanding – just not as much as we do today. And 1,000 years from now, we’re going to look pretty scientifically undeveloped compared to people living in that future age.

More erroneous, though, is your ********** that everything has to pass a science test. The Bible isn’t a science book. It never claims to be one, nor does the Church claim it to be one.

The Bible is the primary source of religious truth – and judging it from a scientific point of view is illogical.

The Bible contains multiple literary styles – some literal, and some metaphorical. Did *** really create everything in six days? Probably not. It’s not a literal story. It’s meant to convey a religious truth, and it uses metaphor to do so.

Why are you – an atheist, a self-proclaimed champion of rational thought – engaging in the very irrational act of judging a non-science book like the Bible from a science perspective? Why are you applying a standard to the Bible that it was never meant to, or claimed to, hold to?
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>>>6. It amazes me on the amount of time religious followers spend in supporting their
beliefs.<<<

And yet you wrote a very long piece of work here on ******** supporting your belief, or lack thereof.

How come atheists are allowed to spend a good amount of time supporting their cause, but we believers somehow are off-base in doing so for ours?
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>>>They pray, chant, preach, sing hymns, bow, mumble, kneel, make
unnatural movements with their bodies, wear special garments, lockets,
do fast, visit swamis and gurus, visit extremely **** to reach
‘religious’ places, do pilgrimage, rituals etc..<<<

First of all, if we want to pray and chant and all, what’s it to you? How is it affecting your life? Does my prayer life bother you in the slightest?

Why are atheists like you so ****-bent (excuse the pun) on getting others to change their beliefs and to align them more to yours?

It’s amazing – and illogical, especially coming from a bunch of self-proclaimed logic fans – how often atheists accuse believers of trying to “push their beliefs on people.” Much more often, it’s you atheists who do that!

You guys spend an inordinate amount of time trying to sway people over to your way of thinking and believing. You “push” your beliefs (or lack thereof) with all the fervor of the even the most ****-**** evangelical missionaries.

Why? If I believe in ***, what’s it to you? I suspect that you’re trying to validate your own atheism by getting more people to join your “club.” And no other reason.
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>>> But is there any
evidence that these activities promote the personal well-being of a
person and give positive results? The answer is no<<<

You’re absolutely wrong about that, my champion-of-fact-and-reason atheist friend.

Studies have shown that religious belief plays a positive role in health and well-being.

People with religious devotion tend to live longer than atheists, recover from surgeries or illness faster and stronger, and commit suicide FAR less often than atheist do.

And most of all, the positive results of believing in Christ and being a faithful member of the Church He established are, literally, out of this world.
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>>7. I will not follow any laws or rules which teach ****, murder, and evil and to follow blindly without questioning.<<

This is just too hateful, too ridiculous, and far too illogical and irrational to even warrant more of a response than what I’ve already typed. Especially coming from an atheist, a supposed and self-proclaimed champion of reason, logic, and science.

Not to mention, at least 100 million people in just the last 100 years have been killed, exiled, imprisoned, and otherwise exposed to evil by officially atheist communist regimes throughout the world.

What were you saying about murder and evil again?
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The Bible is not a science text and was never intended as one. It is a theology of our relationship to *** as his people, he to us as our Creator and Lord.
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>>>8. I always strive for the truth, and anything that hinders me from doing so I cannot put my trust in.<<

But you’ve offered no evidence that your beliefs are the truth. You’ve offered no evidence that Roman Catholicism (my religion) or any other religion is NOT the truth.

You’ve offered no evidence that being an atheist somehow enlightens you to truth and/or that being a believer hinders you from it.

And based on some of the glaring lack of logic and evidence in your comments, the high amount of *********** and misconceptions and presumptions contained in them, and even the inclusion of one or two words of hate and prejudice … I’d say that it’s your atheism that’s hindering you, no offense.
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>>>9. What I have seen religion do to people horrifies me. Everything from people strapping bombs to their chest to murdering innocent people.<<<

Please. Atheist communist regimes have killed over 100 million people in just the last 100 years.

And you’re engaging in the illogical, irrational, and hateful act of equating the typical religious person with a terrorist.

You obviously haven’t seen the vast amount of charity and humanitarianism that the Roman Catholic Church (and other religious bodies) perform. How many homeless shelters, soup kitchens, schools, hospitals, and ********’s centers are run by atheist organizations? Try NONE, my friend.

“What I have seen religion do to people horrifies me” isn’t even close to an exercise in logic and reason. It’s an exercise in hate speech. “What I have seen” is only what you WANT to see. It’s only what your atheist beliefs want to tell you. It’s only what you want to see in order to validate and rationalize your atheism.

Well, don’t call yourself a champion of reason and logic after offering up that ridiculous tidbit.
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>>>10. Reading Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Charles Darwin, Bill
Maher and having conversations with my step-dad, my high school Biology teacher and many more amazingly smart people.<<<

In other words, you’ve validated and rationalized your atheism by reading people who agree with you. Wow, what an act of open-mindedness.

It seems that you spend the great majority of your time discussing religion-based topics only with people who agree with you. People who only validate your atheism for you, and don’t push you out of your comfort zone.

A certain amount of that is understandable human nature, but it only gets you so far.

Not to toot my horn or anything, but I like to think that I took each of your individual claims in your list and either blew them out of the water, or at least offered a rational challenge to them that might make you think a little bit.

It wasn’t too ****, either, because many an atheist before you had made the exact same claims that you’ve made. I’ve heard them all before, a million times, from a million different atheists.

This despite the fact that atheists often claim themselves to be free-thinkers. You’re not free-thinkers. You guys just parrot and carbon-copy each other’s tired old arguments. Each other’s tired old irrational...

>>>10. Reading Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Charles Darwin, Bill
Maher and having conversations with my step-dad, my high school Biology teacher and many more amazingly smart people.<<<

In other words, you’ve validated and rationalized your atheism by reading people who agree with you. Wow, what an act of open-mindedness.

It seems that you spend the great majority of your time discussing religion-based topics only with people who agree with you. People who only validate your atheism for you, and don’t push you out of your comfort zone.

A certain amount of that is understandable human nature, but it only gets you so far.

Not to toot my horn or anything, but I like to think that I took each of your individual claims in your list and either blew them out of the water, or at least offered a rational challenge to them that might make you think a little bit.

It wasn’t too ****, either, because many an atheist before you had made the exact same claims that you’ve made. I’ve heard them all before, a million times, from a million different atheists.

This despite the fact that atheists often claim themselves to be free-thinkers. You’re not free-thinkers. You guys just parrot and carbon-copy each other’s tired old arguments. Each other’s tired old irrational and illogical arguments.

Atheism is not the well-spring of reason, logic, and free-thinking that its adherents often claim. Your post is just the latest example of that.
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You have to be joking?
"Not to toot my horn or anything, but I like to think that I took each of your individual claims in your list and either blew them out of the water, or at least offered a rational challenge to them that might make you think a little bit. "
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That tired argument? Religious wars including the Catholics have cause more deaths and barbarity then anything else in history.
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lol Welcome back Jen ready to troll again ****
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The bible is a religious book, but it is not the source of any truth at all. It has never been authenticated and none of the authors are known.

We are judging the irrationality of the bible because it is a totally irrational book. We have studied it and while most christians have not. The bible has been claimed to be true and the ultimate word of ***. Now you are claiming it is not.

The bible is absolutely clear about the 6-24 hours days of creation. I suggest you read that again as well.


Who the **** are you to now deny what others have said for centuries????

Your being all bent out of shape simply because you have no direct answers to these question just shows you really are not very knowledgeable about your own religion.

The fact that the bible can be so easily cut to ribbons with simple logic show that it has very little value. All of the major events in the bible have been debunked by science as well. They never happened, yet christian refuse to even acknowledge that. They prefer to live with a fantasy.
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